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Отг:Маратони преди 8 години 2 месеца #95

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Раничко е още за записване. Миналата година се проведе на 29.08.2010.
Ако си мераклия да се тестваш на нещо по-скоро Пирин Рън е скоро на 5 Юни.
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Отг:Маратони преди 8 години 1 месец #102

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еха тва ще е яко зор в Пирин хаха толкова скоро няма как да се справя достатъчно добре. Особено след хижа вихрен нагоре е доста стръмно.
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Отг:Маратони преди 8 години 1 месец #121

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Ротари Маратон - вижте всичко за него тук
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1318

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Успех в Пловдив, хора! :laugh:
Whatever doesn't kill me...should better start running.
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1322

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Успех и от мен :)
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1408

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Абе, образи, що мълчите? :P
Как мина маратона? :)
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1409

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Влез в бука и ще видиш много куриози.Аз лично си умрях от смях,беше доста забавно :woohoo:
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1410

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ReconProG - кажи си профила за приложението за записване на тренировки да се опитам да оправя проблема.

Иначе супер забавно състезание, толкова образи на едно място няма как да е скука.
Още чакам да ми пратят пълното класиране за състезанието.

Лично мен ме мъчи ужасна мускулна треска на бедрата. Така е като не се бяга и си контузен. Добрата новина е че ахилеса е оздравял и сега постепенно се връщам обратно към пълноценен тренировъчен процес.

Постигнах и първа победа като треньор - само хубави новини. :woohoo:
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1411

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Влизам си с фейсбук профила в приложението за бягане. Какво ти трябва като данни?

Между другото, коя е тая мома на първо място?
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Май ми е позната от стената за катерене на НСА...
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1412

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Аз я тренирам ако може така да се каже. Ходи и да катери. Дори днес ще ходи. Ако я засечеш отиди да я поздравиш - много ще се зарадва. Ако те пита - не съм те карал аз ;) Само внимавай как я питаш, че с нейното таекуондо онзи ден изядох един шут в ребрата.
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1413

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Тоя месец няма да катеря, че го закъсах малко с финансите. Ама като я засега следващия път. :)
На какво се е класирала първа момата? 21км или пълния маратон? :)
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1414

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Рано и е за целия маратон. За сега го кара на полумаратони.

По малко и с хляб! ;)
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1422

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Здравейте, нов съм във форума, искам да попитам проблем ли е човек със скъсани връзки и менискус да изтича един такъв маратон ? Преди 2 години скъсах връзки и менискус, от година някъде тичам, в началото тичах по 600 метра, скоро се тествах и издържах 14км без да съм чел програми и т.н, искам да ги кача на 20 поне и така.
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1423

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Pencho93 За каква дистанция говорим,като маратон? И ,за какво време искаш да го пробягаш? :) Ако бягаш,от типа на ::::клатушкам се:::; според мен няма да имаш проблем.Но гониш ли време и голяма дистанция, тогава всичко се променя Това е от моя гледна точка ,всеки си има праг,на поносимост на болката.Започнем ли да говорим за дистанции от 100км нещата се променят рязко.Мозъка помни къде е имало болка и при умора на нервната система, започва да ти напомня с огромна сила ,за нея. :) Прочети малко и от тук.може и да ти свърши работа.


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Jim Howell wrote:

"I have pain whenever I walk down steps, bend down to pick up something, or just drive my truck! In Dec. I went to a specialist on the knee who sent me for a MRI. The Dr. said I have a 'degenerative cartilage' damage and that If I continued to train/runthe long miles I do, it would only get worse."
Sounds a lot like a problem I came down with after running Grandma's Marathon back in '89. The symptoms were pretty much the same, esp. going up and down stairs. After going thru physical therapy for four months I finally had an MRI that showed a tear in the medial meniscus. My doctor suggested surgery and I consented only because I was sick of being pain all the time!
"He recommended one session of physical therapy to get an idea to see if it might help, but I got the impression he was opting for surgery aka "scoping". From what I've heard from my fellow running friends, If I go under the knife, my running days (at least anything over 5or 10k's) is over."
I had my knee scoped on November 10 and was back running a light schedule a month later! And now, over 7 years later my knee has not given me anymore trouble. My doctor advised me at the time to cut down on my running and that marathons were out of the question! I wasn't listening however since I was planning my training for the Boston Marathon 4 months later! I've run several more marathons and 50 milers and completed a 100 miler since then with no problems.
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Jim says: (with major snippage to keep the length down)

With the unstable trail conditions, I might have hperextended my l. knee more than once. After my ankles came back into normal and I began running the folllowing week, I began to notice a slight pain in my knee after some of my long runs. The pain after the runs eventually got worse as time progressed. As this type of injury was new to me...
my fouth Marine Corps marathon and proceede to stagger to my worst time ever by over 40 minutes! Pure stubborness got me thru that race but I have not been able to run since!!! Ihave pain whenever I walk down steps, bend down to pick up something, or just drive my truck! In Dec. I

Jim, I don't want to play doctor because I feel that you have seen the right people. Since they have the test results, including the MRI (you mention below), they know more than me.
From my background in athletic training, and without the benefit of an MRI in front of me, the pain you are describing seems more like a slight cartilage tear or a loose body in the joint than "degeneration", at least in the classical sense.

I pick up this idea from the pain you have while bending and descending steps, AND the mechanism of injury (hyperextension while twisting).

"went to a specialist on the knee who sent me for a MRI. The Dr. said I have a 'degenerative cartilage' damage and that If I continued to train/runthe long miles I do, it would only get worse. He recommended..."
But what does he mean when he says 'degenerative cartilage'? In the knee, there are two distinct types of cartilage. There are the meniscii, the "pads" which "float" in the joint and function as shock absorbers. And there is articular cartilage lining the ends of the bones, which protect the bone ends and also reduce shock. When someone says 'degenerative cartilage' to me, I get the idea that the articular cartilage is the problem. Your pattern of pain suggests the meniscus might be involved.
In your case, and with my limited ability to assess the situation from a far, it is my opinion that a second opinion would be the way to go.

"one session of physical therapy to get an idea to see if it might help, but I got the impression he was opting for surgery aka "scoping". From what I've heard from my fellow running friends, If I go under the knife, my running days (at least anything over 5or 10k's) is over. Charlie 'wrong-way' Wojcik has recommended hot immersions, retro walking on a treadmill, electronic stimulation, range of motion exercises, and ice baths for possible treatments."
Not true. Scoping is relatively non-invasive and you should be able to run again, assuming the problem is correctable. The surgery itself won't prevent you from returning to the roads. The injury may.
Wasn't it Joan Benoit-Samuelson who ran the Olympic Marathon within a couple of weeks after arthroscopic surgery? She's still running.

I'm seeking a solution to this problem desperatly. I WILL NOT GIVE UP RUNNING....IT BRINGS ME TOO MUCH JOY IN LIFE TO QUIT!!
If it were my knee, I would be forced to consider a couple of things before deciding which way to proceed. First, I would look at my level of pain. Can I run now, and do it comfortably so it brings me joy? Second, how long has the pain persisted, and what have I done to try to get it better? Have I rested? Have I been to the therapist? Have I tried and followed my doctor's advice?
Third, what are my alternatives? I can keep running with pain. I can continue the rehab & rest and see if time makes it better. I can try the scope and hope the surgery finds something that can be corrected.

Fourth, can I live with the pain? Does it hurt to walk or sit or drive? If so, my quality of LIFE is being compromised and the risk of a minimally invasive surgery is likely worth restoring my LIFE to normal function.

Jim, I would concentrate on getting pain-free during your every day activities before you worry about concentrating on the running. The surgery won't prevent you from running again, but may make both your running life and your LIFE more enjoyable and pain free.

Just some suggestions. Remember, that the above is my opinion and was formulated from very limited knowledge of the situation. It is not meant to replace the advice of your physician.

Steve Pervo
Jim, and anyone else who can use this info...

I had a very severe knee injury that began while training for the '94 VT50. After my first 4 hour training run on the trails, I noticed pain in my knee(s) when walking down stairs, driving or sitting for long periods.

My first thoughts on what this might have been was that running long and slow on the trails was foreign to my legs that had been used to running much faster on the roads. So I stopped that with no success. I then then read up on knee injuries and sent out a plea to this and the Ultra list.

What I found to be the real cause was my running shoes. For years I had always worn Asics, which are a little firmer and lower to the ground. I had switched to Saucony Jazz because of the closeness to an outlet and I really liked the way they felt, but they just didn't provide enough support and caused me to pronate excessively, which caused the Patellar Tendonitis.

To help this injury go away I took Aleve 3 x per day, wore a knee sleeve and put otc orthotics in my new shoes. I also started to do partial squats ( no weight and lower yourself until your knees are slightly bent) to strengthen the muscles supporting the knees.

Once I got this under control by running only 1 mile a day, then 2, etc, I was able to wean myself from the orthotic and slowly return to the trails.

Today (about 1 year later), I am back to running 60 mpw with at least 20 of that on trails. I am able to run hill repeats and some speedwork.

Maybe some of this will help you get back to running. It's the same old story...if your knees hurt, look to your feet for the cause.

see you on the trails,

Blake Wood
Hawk wrote:

After a run I experience what I can only describe as 'sore kneecaps' - actually it feels like a sore muscle directly under the kneecap...
Sounds like chondromalacia, a classic runner's injury. There's some good info on this at the Runners World web site www.runnersworld.com, under "injury prevention".
This has bothered me for 4-5 years now, so it need not prevent you from running ultras if you take care. Here's what I've found to be helpful:

Stretch extensively before running, especially the quads. I do all my running in the early morning, so this precludes jumping out of bed and hitting the trails, like I used to be able to do. I need to "wake up" my knees. It takes me about an hour to get out the door after my alarm goes off, but that includes making coffee and toast.
Stop pounding the downhills. I still run a LOT of steep trails, I just don't go all out downhill anymore.
Wear a cho-pat on my right knee (the bad one). I use a homemade one, but you can buy one for around $20. Check out www.cho-pat.com
Ice my right knee after every run, whether it hurts or not. This is easy to do while I eat breakfast and read the paper after my run. You can make a convenient, reusable ice pack by freezing a mixture of alcohol and water in a 1:3 ratio in a quart ziplock bag. When frozen, this makes a mushy mixture. Wrap it in a towel and attach it to whatever hurts with an ace bandage, then chuck it back in the freezer when you're done.
Put my leg up whenever I'm sitting for a long time. Sitting with my knee bent hurts after a while. Some chairs are worse than others. I find airliner seats and automobile bucket seats to be particularly bad.
Hope this helps.
Chuck Barbee
Thanks very much to the responses regarding running ultras after a person has had substantial cartalige removed due to surgery. The main tips that I received all should be very useful,some of which I have been already doing while others I will definitely implement into my training:

Not a single person who responded to me claimed that they were unable to run ultras because of their knee surgery(s).
All long runs should be done on trails if at all possible.
Utilize regular weight training to strengthen the muscles that support the knee and help absorb the impact of each foot strike.
Be sure to ramp up slowly if you've had an extended period off from running or are just post-op.
Be vigilante about rotating your shoes to maximize their shock absorbing qualities.
Consider using an insole, same reason as above.
Explore whether utilizing the supplement Glucoasmine is of any help to you and how your joints feel.
That's the basic info I received. It appears at least from this limited info that for many of you knee surgeries of a variety of types and severity have not kept any of you from running distances from marathon to 100 milers.
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Отг: Маратони преди 7 години 3 месеца #1424

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Пенчо да не си тренирал футбол?
Ако си възстановен от травмите няма проблеми. Просто ще трябва да си търпелив и постоянен.
Моят съвет е да пробваш с полумаратон. Много добро място за старт на маратон е Ротари Маратон на 22 септември. Преди това може да стартираш и с полумаратон, за да видиш как ти понася.

От колко време бягаш?
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